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Q: I was offered Cliff Lee and Shane Victorino in exchange for Dan Haren and Raul Ibanez. Here are my reasons for being hesitant about Lee. His spring was AWFUL and last season was his best by far(possible fluke season??). I like him beacause his numbers were better than Haren’s , but Haren has steadily been on a climb and he is one Webb injury away from being the ace of the staff. What should I do??? Please help!!!
A: I think that you’re right to be hesitant about this deal, but maybe not for the reasons you mentioned. Yes, Cliff Lee’s ERA is a miserable 12.46 this spring, but pitchers tend to work on using different pitches in spring. Sometimes they spend a few innings just throwing breaking balls. It’s hard to gauge how good a pitcher’s spring is going by his ERA alone. Take a look at Lee’s strikeout to walk ratio. In 21.2 innings he’s struck out 18 while only walking two. That’s pretty dominant. The thing about Lee that worries me is his innings workload from 2008, which grew 80 innings from the previous year. I’m expecting Lee to still produce good numbers in 2009, but he won’t be back at the Cy Young level he achieved in 2008. Haren on the other hand excites me; and remember, he doesn’t need to be Arizona’s ace to be your fantasy ace. Haren has steadily increased his strikeout numbers while lowering his WHIP over the past three years. He pitches in a weak division with a bunch of pitchers parks. I definitely like Haren better than Lee going into 2009.
Victorino would be a slight upgrade from Ibanez, but it’s not enough to off-set how much better Haren could be than Lee. Victorino and Ibanez both have similar batting averages (both hit .293 in ‘08) but Ibanez has better power numbers. Yeah, you’ll get stolen bases from Victorino, a few extra runs scored and some pop, but the difference between the two just isn’t enough for me to advise pulling the trigger on this deal.
My opinion would be to decline this offer. With Haren and Ibanez you have to great, very consistently stable players. And Haren’s upside is the best of the bunch.
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Posted by: Knox Bardeen in Draft Strategy, Fantasy Baseball, tags: Bobby Abreu, Chris Davis, Cliff Lee, Geovany Soto, Hunter Pence, Joe Nathan, Magglio Ordonez, Robinson Cano, Ryan Ludwick, Shane Victorino, slow mock draft, Stephen Drew
I’m still catching up here on publishing the commentary from each selection in our slow mock draft. Take a look back and read the write-ups for round 1, round 2, round 3, round 4, and round 5.
- Round 6 : Pick 1(61) - @seniorcircuit - Geovany Soto - After the elite catchers were off the board I was surprised that Soto was still there for me. I don’t mind taking a catcher early, especially in 2 catcher leagues. Who even started the 2 catcher policy? I can see Soto make a slight regression as pitchers get used to seeing him but will still put up quality numbers from the catchers spot. I project Soto at 70/22/85/.275
- Round 6 : Pick 2(62) - @jasoncollette - Chris Davis - This was going to be Votto’s spot but alas, someone loves him more than I do. I saw Davis go in the 5th round of the MLB expert draft I’m doing and at this rate, he’s going to go in a 4th round by March. He will hit behind Kinsler, Young, Hamilton, and Cruz so there is plenty of potential for 35 homers, 100+ RBI, but anything over .265 is a bonus.
- Round 6 : Pick 3(63) - @dowdyism - Stephen Drew -He has the bloodlines, and 2008 saw the breakout of Stephen Drew. I was looking for either Drew or Geovany Soto on the turn, and once Soto was gone, it was an easy decision. I missed out on the 2B run, so I wanted to be sure to get good production from SS. Last years numbers are a good baseline on what I expect in 2009.
- Round 6 : Pick 4(64) - @therotofeed - Hunter Pence - I think this is the year before the breakout year for Pence, which should still come out rather nicely. I’m guessing he won’t be as much of a feast and famine guy this year and I’m hunting for 90/30/90.
- Round 6 : Pick 5(65) - @sporer - Robinson Cano -I was ready to take Cano when I took Granderson so I’m pleased to see him fall another round to me. In a tough season, he still put a pretty usable line at second base. I expect a much better season in the area of 2007’s breakout campaign. The lineup in New York is still excellent meaning the R & RBI numbers will be plentiful and he should have a better batting average (nearing .300) if he can avoid hitting .242 for a half as in 2008. I’m predicting a bounce back season for Cano and I’m happy to get him in the 6th.
- Round 6 : Pick 6(66) - @tommystv - Shane Victorino - Victorino was the last top 50 player I had on my board still remaining. Although I do watch for value players slipping I like to justify a need before I pull the trigger. I needed to address steals at some point and this is a value you pick almost 3 rds beyond where he skill set justified him going. I’d love to see that little bit of pop he had last year continue.
- Round 6 : Pick 7(67) - @xxldaddyo - Cliff Lee -I already took the best Catcher in baseball (Brian McCann) in the 4th Round so why not pare him up with the best Starting Pitcher in baseball last year: AL Cy Young winner Cliff Lee. Lee’s breakout year reminds me eerily of Chris Carpenters breakout season in 2004. Both were 29 when they came into their own and while it may not be reasonable to expect Lee to match last years SICK numbers, if he does 90% of that? I’d be a happy man.
- Round6 : Pick 8(68) - @jefeboy - Carlos Delgado -At this point I just needed power, and chose Delgado over Dunn because I think their HR totals will be in the same ballpark but Delgado should hurt my BA less.
- Round 6 : Pick 9(69) - @fakebaseball - Bobby Abreu -My pick of Bobby Abreu is an example of going with your rankings even though you dislike the player, and there are sexier picks on the board ahead of him. I have .285/16-18 HR/20 SB penciled in for Abreu, with a goodly amount of runs driven in and scored, because chances are wherever he lands (Cincinnati, perhaps?), he’ll be put in the middle of the order (regardless of whether or not he deserves it at this stage of his career). I fully recognize he’s a risk because he’s getting to the age where a precipitous decline can happen at any time, but I’ll take the risk, and the SBs, so I won’t have to suffer with “cheap speed” options later.
- Round 6 : Pick 10(70) - @TheRoundtable - Magglio Ordonez - I’m actually kicking myself because I missed the run on second basemen, so decided to fill in the outfield with who I feel is best available there at this point. The other positions seem relatively similar across the board over the next few players. Ordonez’s power numbers might be slightly down, but since his two-year injury run, he’s been healthy and providing good numbers for that Tigers offense. This is a guy that I have ranked in my top-50 (granted the end of it) that I was able to grab with pick 70.
- Round 6 : Pick 11(71) - @Angels2717 - Joe Nathan -Some might not think of taking Nathan as the first overall closer. But I believe this year, he will prove he is one of the best is not the best at his position. He has one of the lowest ERA’s of closers and is almost perfect on save oppurtunities. He has been very consistent throughout the past couple of years. No, he might not be the highest strikeout guy, but you don’t take closers just for their strikeouts.
- Round 6 : Pick 12(72) - @crookedpitch - Ryan Ludwick - I don’t expect Ludwick to approach a .300 batting average again in 2009. However, I do feel that 30 homers and 100 RBI are a distinct possibility. How could I pass up those numbers in the 6th round? Plus, it does sort of fit in with my power hitters theme that I’ve got going on.
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